Fifth Doctor Questions
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requialexaDh and I are working our way through Netflix's collection of Fifth Doctor Serials.
We watched Logopolis, then Caves of Androzani.
Then The Visitation and Black Orchid.
Most recently though, we watched Earthshock! And DH made me sit down and watch it closely because he thought it quite relevant to the most recent series. And after I watched I sort of disagreed. And I want him to be right, a little.
In Earthshock, the Cybermen have aimed a bomb at Earth and the Doctor thwarts that but then there's still a freight ship aimed right at Earth and the Cybermen intend for it to hit the Earth, thereby killing everyone on the planet. The Doctor thwarts them once again and discovers that this was one of those immovable points in time--he changes the time in which the freighter is traveling--back to prehistoric times. This makes the freighter into the meteor that crashes into Earth and kills off the dinosaurs, no harm no foul. Problem is, that Adric is on board and dies, too. But--and this was the important bit--much earlier in the serial, Adric gets all pouty as he is wont to do and, at the Doctor's urging, calculates the way back to E-space including the way to the CVE--the gateway to E space.
The man of mine contended that it was therefore Adric that figured out the way between the dimensions...setting up all this inter-dimensional stuff from New Who.
I retorted that E space, while it is indeed another dimension, is one of infinite numbers of parallel worlds or dimensions and therefore Adric's calculations were irrelevant. I added that when Five was around, interdimensional travel was easy since the TimeLords could work together to facilitate it. That was why it was so hard for Ten to believe they'd landed in Pete's world to begin with, not to mention any hope of getting back to Rose post-Doomsday.
So my question is this, mostly-- How does E-space relate to Pete's World?
We watched Logopolis, then Caves of Androzani.
Then The Visitation and Black Orchid.
Most recently though, we watched Earthshock! And DH made me sit down and watch it closely because he thought it quite relevant to the most recent series. And after I watched I sort of disagreed. And I want him to be right, a little.
In Earthshock, the Cybermen have aimed a bomb at Earth and the Doctor thwarts that but then there's still a freight ship aimed right at Earth and the Cybermen intend for it to hit the Earth, thereby killing everyone on the planet. The Doctor thwarts them once again and discovers that this was one of those immovable points in time--he changes the time in which the freighter is traveling--back to prehistoric times. This makes the freighter into the meteor that crashes into Earth and kills off the dinosaurs, no harm no foul. Problem is, that Adric is on board and dies, too. But--and this was the important bit--much earlier in the serial, Adric gets all pouty as he is wont to do and, at the Doctor's urging, calculates the way back to E-space including the way to the CVE--the gateway to E space.
The man of mine contended that it was therefore Adric that figured out the way between the dimensions...setting up all this inter-dimensional stuff from New Who.
I retorted that E space, while it is indeed another dimension, is one of infinite numbers of parallel worlds or dimensions and therefore Adric's calculations were irrelevant. I added that when Five was around, interdimensional travel was easy since the TimeLords could work together to facilitate it. That was why it was so hard for Ten to believe they'd landed in Pete's world to begin with, not to mention any hope of getting back to Rose post-Doomsday.
So my question is this, mostly-- How does E-space relate to Pete's World?
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Date: 2008-09-27 08:09 pm (UTC)That said, DW canon is nothing if not wibbly-wobbly, so your husband's theory could prove to be right someday, depending on the whims of the production and writing team.
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Date: 2008-09-28 03:47 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-09-28 01:31 am (UTC)It was, in fact, noted by Four and Romana when they first went to E-Space that due to the special nature of its existence (it having negative space/time coordinates) it would actually be rather difficult to travel to or from it, and is still a bit chance-y even using the deliberately established doorways through which the heat was being discharged from N-Space into E-Space.
Four and Romana first travelled into E-Space without Adric's involvement; another time-travelling species (probably the Tharils; see Full Circle - which predates Earthshock) constructed a different gate (or possibly at one time gates) between E-Space and N-Space. Using this gateway, one did pass through an area of relative nothingness that I suppose could be retconned to be 'The Void' of New Who...
At any rate, if you take Ten's statement that with the Time Lords around one could gallivant around the parallel universes at will, with travel to and from E-Space having been established as being very difficult, it couldn't just be a parallel universe.
If you take the body of actual canon (i.e., skipping the books and audios) about E-Space all into account, it sounds like E-Space might be some sort of pocket universe that's attached to N-Space.
In short, there's no relation between E-Space and Pete's World; they're most certainly not the same universe, if that's what your husband is thinking.
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Date: 2008-09-28 03:50 am (UTC)Anyway, of course now Dh thinks I was trying to prove him wrong but really I was just interested in the ideas he brought forth :)